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[StevoHemi]

Lets start with the history of this efffing code and my car.

Installed Arrington catch can last April. I moved the wire harness that supports the IAT, Camshaft Sensor and the other sensor down below (oil something?). Bracket for the new catch can too short. Makes it real difficult to remove bucket because it is so close to the engine and hot hoses. Rerouted wires behind the coolant hose bracket. Start car and code pops up. Ironchallenger makes me a longer bracket for the puke can thus making it easier to remove bucket. Put wire harness back to where I found it. Clear code. Start car and no more cel.

Early October. Replace Maggie under warranty. Reinstall IAT under the bottom of the Maggie. Drive car a few times. Code pops up. Won't clear. Replace $12 Cam sensor on pass side of engine at the front. Code clears at idle. Take her down the street and code is back in less than 30 seconds of driving.

I am thinking I must be dealing with a wiring short somewhere. Oh joy! I am so happy now! NOT! The IAT wire was doubled up, tied with a plastic tie and stuffed in the opening just under the tub of the Maggie during the original install October 2011. Lots of heat there as well as lots of heat from the heater hose which is close to the entire harness. Stripped back all of the factory tape and inspected wires. Looks good.

Bought a Multimeter today. Don't know how to use it but this is the tool you use to find shorts. Correct? Can someone tell me how to use this thing. Is the engine supposed to run when I am using the probes or do I just have to have the ignition on. What position do I turn the dial to? What am I looking for? Volts (5, 7 or 12?) or Ohms?

I read that this cam sensor is part of the BUS harness and the VVT. If there is a short in the IAT wires, would it trip the P0013 code?

Anyone else here run into this particular CEL?

http://share.qclt.co...tem/0060015.pdf

Stevo  multimeter.bmp   1.37MB   7 downloads

[Williams RT]

Catch can FTW

[MoparManiac]

Code P0013 is a fault in the oil control valve solenoid circuit.You need to disconnect the solenoid & the PCM C3 connector , see if the wires are shorted to ground or shorted together or open,use the ohmmeter to test the wires.You need to remove the supercharger & intake manifold to access the solenoid connector,if the wiring test good you may have a bad solenoid or pcm.You should clear the code first & wiggle the wiring at the solenoid to see if the code returns to narrow down where the problem is.

[HemiSam]

Here's what I came up with...looks like a camshaft sensor.


P0013-BANK 1 CAMSHAFT 2 POSITION ACTUATOR CIRCUIT OPEN
Theory of Operation

Variable Cam Timing (VCT) allows the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) to monitor and adjust the position of the camshaft, based on desired torque levels and engine operating conditions. This system advances and/or retards the camshaft timing to improve engine performance, mid-range torque, idle quality, fuel economy, and reduce emissions. The VCT assembly or phaser consists of a rotor, stator, and sprocket. The stator is connected to the timing chain through the sprocket. The rotor is connected to the camshaft. Oil flow controlled by the PCM via a solenoid operated control valve rotates the rotor with respect to the stator, the oil pressure alters the angular position or phasing of the camshaft relative to the timing chain and crankshaft rotation. The cam sensor is used to monitor the position of the camshaft.

• When Monitored: With the battery voltage is between 11 and 18 volts with the engine running.
• Set Condition: The PCM detects that the actual voltage of the Variable Cam Timing (VCT) Solenoid Control circuit does not match the intended state. Two Trip Fault. Three good trips to turn off the MIL.

Possible Causes

(K442) VCT CONTROL CIRCUIT OPEN OR HIGH RESISTANCE
(K442) VCT CONTROL CIRCUIT SHORTED TO GROUND
(K442) VCT CONTROL CIRCUIT SHORTED TO VOLTAGE
(Z904) GROUND CIRCUIT OPEN OR HIGH RESISTANCE
VARIABLE CAM TIMING (VCT) SOLENOID
POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE (PCM)
may have been caused by having the key on while the sensor was disconnected.





P0016-CRANKSHAFT/CAMSHAFT TIMING MISALIGNMENT - BANK 1 SENSOR 1 - 5.7L/SRT8

• When Monitored: With the engine speed between 480 and 6816 RPM and no CMP or CKP sensor DTCs detected.
• Set Condition: The Powertrain Control Module (PCM) detects that the deviation between the camshaft position and the crankshaft position has exceeded the maximum acceptable value. One Trip Fault. Three good trips to turn off the MIL.

Possible Causes

CRANKSHAFT POSITION SENSOR CIRCUIT WIRING OR CONNECTORS
CAMSHAFT POSITION SENSOR CIRCUIT WIRING OR CONNECTORS
CRANKSHAFT, TONE WHEEL OR FLEX PLATE
CAMSHAFT, TONE WHEEL OR PULSE RING
TIMING GEAR ALIGNMENT <<< most likely cause since you just swapped the cam.
CRANKSHAFT POSITION SENSOR
CAMSHAFT POSITION SENSOR


HS

[StevoHemi]

Thanks Sam. I found that info on the net and have printed it off. My gut is telling me it is in the harness. When I moved the catch can it threw a code because I played around with the harness. When I replaced the Maggie I played with the harness. If all else fails... I will have to do what Maniac says. Ugh! I saw 4 solenoids for the four cylinders for the VVT. I don't recall seeing a solenoid that Maniac is talking about. Anyone got a pic?

Stevo

[HemiSam]

VVT solenoid on the bottom right (left hand unit...MDS solenoid on the right if I'm not mistaken).

http://www.moparpart...ze/i2278073.jpg


HS

[ironchallenger]

Stevo i have a spare solenoid if you need.

[MoparManiac]

The MDS & VVT solenoid wires go to the same 6 wire gray connector at the rear of the engine,by the drivers side cylinder head I think.The wires don't go by the catch can or passenger front of the engine.

[StevoHemi]

Ordered the VCT (Variable Cam Timing) solenoid today. MaMopar calls it a Oil Control Valve. Going to pull the Maggie later this week and install the VCT and inspect the harness.

Stevo

[HemiSam]

Good luck, Stevo. Let us know how it goes.

HS

[StevoHemi]

Ok... did what Moparmaniac suggested. Thanks bud! Pulled the S/C today and replaced the solenoid ($28). Inspected the harness and noticed wires bent at a sharp angle at the pigtail connector. Didn't have time to check the harness with the ohm/multimeter. I will do that test first thing in the morning. Old solenoid looks good and was nice and clean. No particles in the filter. Car does about 7K miles per year with the oil change/filter done once a year in the fall with Amsoil. OLF done two weeks ago.
My gut tells me it's the wire right at the pigtail. Even though the sensor is probably good, I thought it was best to replace anyways since I don't want to pull the S/C again just for that. This is the second re/re on the Maggie in six weeks.

Here are some cell phone pix.

 oil control solenoid.bmp   1.37MB   13 downloads  valley.bmp   1.37MB   13 downloads

New solenoid is on the right.

Question: The MDS solenoids. They are not used because of the Maggie. Can I remove these MDS solenoids with out generating a CEL? What would cover the holes if I removed them? Anyone done this before?

Stevo

[NOT SURE]

Ok... did what Moparmaniac suggested. Pulled the S/C today and replaced the solenoid ($28). Inspected the harness and noticed wires bent at a sharp angle at the pigtail connector. Didn't have time to check the harness with the ohm/multimeter. I will do that test first thing in the morning. Old solenoid looks good and was nice and clean. No particles in the filter. Car does about 7K miles per year with the oil change/filter done once a year in the fall with Amsoil. OLF done two weeks ago.
My gut tels me it's the wire right at the pigtail. Even though the sensor is probably good, I thought it was best to replace anyways since I don't want to pull the S/C again just for that. This is the second re/re on the Maggie in six weeks.

Here are some cell phone pix.

 oil control solenoid.bmp   1.37MB   13 downloads  valley.bmp   1.37MB   13 downloads

Stevo

Holy shit ...............did it work out for yah??

[toofart]

Way to get 'er done Stevo!

[MoparManiac]

I hope this fixes the problem for you!You might have a break in the harness wiring.The 6.1 engine uses plastic plugs in the block where the solenoids go.You might get a code if you disconnect them.