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[us1champ]

Ok 

 

i have researched tires to death.  1st let me put down my 4 options so everyone see what i am talking about

 

cooper zeon rs3-s

toyo proxes t1 sport

bf goodrich g-force sport comp 2

and nitto invos.

 

i was going to go with bfg's but i have read alot on the corvette forums and talked to several challenger and charger people that LOVE invo's.  so i was going that route.. i THINK.

 

i found this place that called TREAD DEPOT.. they are cheaper than anyone and SEAM LEGIT. 

 

here is my issue.. I live in IOWA.. there is no DISCOUNT TIRE.. discount tire direct will ship but a. they are a little higher.. B. they don't have but 2 PREFERRED installers.. i know both and not a fan of either one. AND TREAD DEPOT don't sell NITTOS.. i would have to go thru discount tire.

 

tire rack.. higher than both.. and again there installer list is SMALL and not much to choose from..

 

I have tried locally.. for example local they want almost 1200 for the bfg's.. i can get them shipped for FREE to my shop from tread depot for 750 bucks. all 4.

 

Here is my issue's / questions..  1. never bought tires online.. i guess it can't be THAT BIG OF A DEAL as millions do it.. but they mostly also send them to a preferred place to do it.  SO what are your thought about buying tires online and then trying to find a place to mount and balance them that YOU DIDN'T BUY FROM...

2. any thoughts on my list above.

3. road hazard.. they all sell it. but again the issue with online.. have to have a PREFERRED INSTALLER do the repair. ( that is out ) and then if it needs replace you have to dismount and ship back.. that will essentially save me about 100 bucks not doing road hazard. and i am thinking for ONLINE it is a waist.

 

 

also, regarding the TPMS..  i have read that if you pull them off the wheels and say take them away from the car ( x ft ) then after you re install you have to have them reprogrammed..   what if you disconnect the battery, pull off the wheels take them in and have the tires put on and then bring them back install them and then reconnect the battery.. would it be like they never left the car???

 

so any help/advice would be GREAT

 

thanks

chris

[345_CHLNGR]

Order thru Tirerack.com they use installers like Firestone, Tires Plus, Sears, etc... All of which are in Iowa.

[novawagonmaster]

TPMS sensors will not need to be reprogrammed. I left my OEM wheels off the car all summer, and when I put them back on in the fall, they were fine.

 

The Coopers are hard to beat for the price.

I'm not a fan of the BFGoodrich at all.

Nittos are decent.

U\I have no feedback on the Toyo.

 

Should have no problem having your shop of choice mounting tires that you supply. I treat everyone the same whether I sell them the tires directly or they just bring in a set of loose wheels and tires to be put together. I'd rather develop a positive relationship that might lead to future service on their vehicles because they were impressed with the way I handled a seemingly minor service.

[us1champ]

part of the issue is i want the TIRES ROAD FORCED BALANCED.. and none of the dealers that are on discount tires list do that.

 

as for the tpm sensors nova.

 

did you have them off the car in the same area as the car? i have heard they can by say 50' from the car or whatever that number is without having to reprogram them.

[Truckzilla46]

Was thinking might try earls off Hickman. Jordon runs/owns the store. He might be able to get you a good deal local. I HIGHLY recommend he mounts and balances. Without getting all technical with process I Will break it down simple. Machine he uses balances wheel finds high point on tire and then matches that to wheel and mounts and balances. I don't recommend anyone but the earls off Hickman. Nova is correct above.

[345_CHLNGR]

You guys and stupid dumb ass road force bullshit. Road force is not a balance and is less than .5% of all known comebacks (industry fact that Hunter can not and will not dispute). Mounting errors and residual static are over 90% of all known industry comebacks! not fucking Road Force which is radial runout.

[TA340]

Road force balancing makes a huge difference. Our Challengers are sensitive in the front to anything over 13lbs which is really not a lot. When I bought my car brand new it had readings as high as 40lbs and the vibration at high speeds was horrible. When I talked to one of the Chrysler wheel engineers he was shocked that I had readings so high and told me I needed to get it below 13lbs and was able to get all tires below 12lbs. Made a huge difference that standard high speed balancing could never address. Since I hate even the slightest vibration I am a big believer in Road Force balancing. Which in essence is in fact not balancing at all but lining up the weakest area of the tires sidewall with the highest radius spot on the wheel.

But what the hell do I know, I only work for a major tire manufacturer.

[RT_6Speed]

toyo proxes t1 sport

bf goodrich g-force sport comp 2

 

also, regarding the TPMS..  i have read that if you pull them off the wheels and say take them away from the car ( x ft ) then after you re install you have to have them reprogrammed..  

 

Originally I wanted the BGF Sport Comp's but they were on some sort of national backorder and no one could tell me when they would be available.  I have the Proxes on the rear, 295/40/20, and I like them.  They are wearing good considering...  Mine came from TireRack.com, no issues and no surprises.

 

No worries on the TPMS and not true about the x number of feet. 

[345_CHLNGR]

40lbs. Is .040" radial runout, you can see that when you place wheel weights and they are close to the same plane on the wheel.

Road Force or runout changes by default when you move the tire on the rim, and once you move it all of a sudden you say hail Hunter it fixed my problem. The reality is if you look at the .25 oz round off in the Dynamic plane you will find the real answers to your problems over 95% of the time. I could go into a Precision Micro Balance but I would hate to actually show you the biggest issues with your $15K Boat Anchor.

What the hell do I know, I only helped develop and train on the best American made Balancers in the business.

[Robocop1127]

Chris, I used to order all of our Police Dept. issued tires from Discount Tire Direct and to be honest with their free shipping I'd go with them and I always waive all of the add on's like-warranty-tpms rebuild kit-valve stems and if you ask to speak to someone they'll even negotiate and not only match your lowest tire deal but will beat their price as well at Discount Tire Direct,Call & ask for Eric Van,he's a good guy-800-707-8473-ext#51849 & tell him that Lt. Robert Steele from the Pittsburgh Police Dept. ref. you and if he's not still in that position dial ext.#51826 & ask for TC,he's the next best guy to deal with that they have there!!!

[Truckzilla46]

All tires.are not made the same even if the same tire. All it tAkes is 1/8 inch fore over lap on a splice or a tad less filler on the bead or overlap on the reinforce or even cold insert buildup on the inner liner. All causes highspots on a tire. Radial runouts at the tire factories only need to be within tolerance to go out the door. Better made tires will balance better but if you can find a high point in a tire before it's mounted its win win but w h at to I know only been in the tire business 19 years

[TA340]

Spinning the tire on the wheel to find the optimal match is exactly the point of a road force balancer thanks for proving that point. I will trust my tire engineers that develop and manufacture tires and understand the OEM specifications over guys that develop balancers. We road force most of the tires used on development cars.

[us1champ]

Originally I wanted the BGF Sport Comp's but they were on some sort of national backorder and no one could tell me when they would be available. I have the Proxes on the rear, 295/40/20, and I like them. They are wearing good considering... Mine came from TireRack.com, no issues and no surprises.

No worries on the TPMS and not true about the x number of feet.

Rt thanks for the info.. much appricated

[novawagonmaster]

Don't buy Goodyear tires and you will not have vibration issues (provided, of course, your installer is competent).

 

Before we bought our $15,000 boat anchor, we had a hard time fixing all vibration issues. Sure, you can take a wild guess and turn a tire on the rime, and many times, that will get you out of the woods. But the truth is, after having this balancer, it has given us the ability to determine which tire issues we can easily fix, and which tires need to get tossed.

[us1champ]

Chris, I used to order all of our Police Dept. issued tires from Discount Tire Direct and to be honest with their free shipping I'd go with them and I always waive all of the add on's like-warranty-tpms rebuild kit-valve stems and if you ask to speak to someone they'll even negotiate and not only match your lowest tire deal but will beat their price as well at Discount Tire Direct,Call & ask for Eric Van,he's a good guy-800-707-8473-ext#51849 & tell him that Lt. Robert Steele from the Pittsburgh Police Dept. ref. you and if he's not still in that position dial ext.#51826 & ask for TC,he's the next best guy to deal with that they have there!!!

Robert thanks for the info my friend i will give them a ring
[quote name="345_CHLNGR" post="353088" timestamp="1391389940"]40lbs. Is .040" radial runout, you can see that when you place wheel weights and they are close to the same plane on the wheel. Road Force or runout changes by default when you move the tire on the rim, and once you move it all of a sudden you say hail Hunter it fixed my problem. The reality is if you look at the .25 oz round off in the Dynamic plane you will find the real answers to your problems over 95% of the time. I could go into a Precision Micro Balance but I would hate to actually show you the biggest issues with your $15K Boat Anchor.What the hell do I know, I only helped develop and train on the best American made Balancers in the business.[/quot

345 i didnt mean to get u all upset. I have just had good luck with roadforce balancing on multiple vehicles

[345_CHLNGR]

Don't buy Goodyear tires and you will not have vibration issues (provided, of course, your installer is competent).

 

Before we bought our $15,000 boat anchor, we had a hard time fixing all vibration issues. Sure, you can take a wild guess and turn a tire on the rime, and many times, that will get you out of the woods. But the truth is, after having this balancer, it has given us the ability to determine which tire issues we can easily fix, and which tires need to get tossed.

Dude it's not a wild guess when the weights line up on the same plane you have a radial run out problem, it is pure and simple fact.  The reason you had a hard time fixing vibration issues is because you like so many thousands of other shops haven't been properly trained on what really causes it. I know I know I know, you and everybody else has been doing this for five thousand years and I can't tell you anything.

 

Look at what is behind your "OK" Balance...

 

 

 

I pisses me off that you take all that time to turn the tire on the wheel and then the actual Balancing portion is really an inferior Balance.

[TA340]

But the truth is, after having this balancer, it has given us the ability to determine which tire issues we can easily fix, and which tires need to get tossed.

Ding ding ding. Exactly!!!!

[Truckzilla46]

Don't buy Goodyear tires and you will not have vibration issues (provided, of course, your installer is competent).

Just to add that titan tire owns Goodyear passenger side and titan is more about quantity than quality.

[novawagonmaster]

Dude it's not a wild guess when the weights line up on the same plane you have a radial run out problem, it is pure and simple fact.  The reason you had a hard time fixing vibration issues is because you like so many thousands of other shops haven't been properly trained on what really causes it. I know I know I know, you and everybody else has been doing this for five thousand years and I can't tell you anything.

 

Look at what is behind your "OK" Balance...

 

 

 

I pisses me off that you take all that time to turn the tire on the wheel and then the actual Balancing portion is really an inferior Balance.

 

I have told all of my tire techs to disable the "Smart Weight" feature. It's only purpose is to save the shop money on wheel weights, and if we were still mounting 70 and 75 series tires all day long, it would be fine. But we do NOT use it. We balance to "0", not "OK".

[Robocop1127]

Your welcome Chris and let us know if they match and actually beat your best deal cause they have done that with every order of mine and even for my personal vehicles as well!!!