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[Williams RT]

I hope Phil and Sean read this several times Front and rear crossovers are cheap insurance even at low boost settings. Good write up Ed, racing at those levels is certainly a challenge. I plan to be there in March and look forward to meeting you and checking out the hot rod.

I don't know what's more goofy? Thinking they are needed or blowing up your 1000 hp car and blaming it on not having one? You would think all these shops that get paid to build these cars would insist on having them on the cars? But no, a 1000 hp charger has 2 different shops work on the car and no cross over? Lmao incompetent builders or not needed you decide. I would put my time and effort into a return system also if I was that worried about fuel.

[Cam]

Howdy all! 

 

  First off I'd like to say major congrats to Joel for finally busting the 200 mark.  We've never meet and I'm not sure if you know anything about me, but I sure have been aware of your build ever since Jeremy contacted me after you made the move.  I'd also like to point out I'm sorry you weren't able to make that mark in your own ride too.

 

  Just wanted to say I'm having a really hard time with the ST alocades just like Sammy.  So much so I gotta ask a question to ya'll, do you guys thank him after he blows up your shit?.  Seriously Adam's an extremely likable guy, I get it.  But at what point is anyone going to realize how completely unacceptable it was that you the paying customers end up with an anchor with four tires, yet his ride with the help of a scavaged trans makes it the end.  

 

  I'd go on but there's no reason too.  Those who can't see through the BS, well I'll just tell ya best of luck.  

 

Night guys, I'm crawling back under my rock. 

[HemiSam]

Sam, the other difference between Adam's last run and Joel's run was they changed to a taller tire.

 

 

That's great, Sweetie.  I want to be as respectful as you deserve. 

 

Let's say the tire grew a full inch....the gearing wouldn't have picked up much and they wouldn't have picked up 6mph.  That's a huge mph difference at the top end at those speeds and if the gearing from the tire was all the relevant, we would have seen more at the half mile.  When we left, and they'd run 166mph halves and 196mph tops, and then kept doing it, the cross wind was 7mph easy.  Any kind of a tail would have made a much bigger difference.

 

I'm done making my point.  From here on out, it's "yes dear" to the Bayous...  I love you guys.

 

HS

[BayouTigress]

That's great, Sweetie.  I want to be as respectful as you deserve. 
 
Let's say the tire grew a full inch....the gearing wouldn't have picked up much and they wouldn't have picked up 6mph.  That's a huge mph difference at the top end at those speeds and if the gearing from the tire was all the relevant, we would have seen more at the half mile.  When we left, and they'd run 166mph halves and 196mph tops, and then kept doing it, the cross wind was 7mph easy.  Any kind of a tail would have made a much bigger difference.
 
I'm done making my point.  From here on out, it's "yes dear" to the Bayous...  I love you guys.
 
HS

Hey I was just pointing out one technical difference in the set up of the car. From now on I will keep out of the technical stuff and just drive

[BuilderBill]

Well, after spending Sunday night with friends in San Antonio and leaving for home Monday morning I am finally home.  It was a 3000 mile round trip and I hit every state of the Confederacy, except for Florida, but I don't think that they even took Florida seriously.

 

I hadn't had the car on the track in race tune since last May, and I made the mistake of going with the dyno setting for the boost controller instead of going with the setting that I had run at VMP last spring.  The dyno can't load the turbos, so they had to set 27 lbs of boost on the controller to get be able to get the motor to 18 lbs. At the track the controller is set at 18-20 lbs and it will give me 18 lbs. But I had forgotten that and set it at 27 lbs of boost.

 

So on my first pass every time I hit 100% throttle and the boost kicked in I was spinning and kicking the car sideways,  At about the 1/4 it is controllable and I look at the boost gauge, it shows 27 lbs, so I get off it and coast to the first return road. The emergency vehicles had started down the track because from the starting line it had looked like I was fishtailing because of oil and they wanted to make sure that I hadn't put anything down on the track.  So that pass was a wash, and where I had probably done the damage.  The motor held together at 27 lbs of boost, but the #8 cylinder was the last to get fuel (front crossover only) and it most likely went lean on that pass.

 

My second run I dialed in a moderate 12 lbs of boost, was supposed to run a qualifying run between 145-165 mph, but got distracted looking at all the damn gauges and ran 186.  But I screwed up and turned off on a return road and didn't go by the RV to get the slip.  When I went back to get it they said that if I didn't get it right after the pass, then the pass didn't count.  Which actually worked out for me because they probably would have booted me for exceeding the 165 limit of my Class C license.

 

On Saturday I settled down, was only running on the wastgates (6lbs of boost), and watched the speedometer.  It accelerated rather sluggish so I looked at the boost and A/F gauges and noticed it wasn't registering any boost.  I manages a 149 pass N/A and when I let out is started missing and stumbling. So I got my Class B license pass, but it was definitely hurt with no boost and a miss.

 

Pulled it back to the pits and we attempt an exorcism.  Couldn't find any vacuum leaks or anything loose on the boost control system.  Spanking Time had an extra set of plugs so went to change them to see if that would help with the miss. When we pulled the old ones we found that the ones for #8 were toast.  No electrode or porcelain was left on them and they were oily.  We tried another set in and no improvement. Tomorrow I am going to get a scope to look inside, but it probably isn't going to be pretty.

 

What killed the motor was me setting the boost controller based on the dyno runs, and the fuel set-up.  The tune was good, otherwise I would have toasted more plugs.  It was only in the last cylinder to get fuel that we had an issue. Consensus at the track was that if the fuel system would of had a rear crossover in addition to the front crossover then it would have received enough fuel and would have lived.

 

I will be back in March, with a better fuel system and a Class B license.  I had a blast meeting up with everyone, those consecutive tenth better passes by Gossamer were priceless. Thanks for all the help trying to diagnose the issues with the motor.  Next time I will be smarter with boost controller and making passes, guess that I had to pay my dues on this trip.

I would not bet against Ed doing well in March.

How many of us have learned the hard way????

I melted the passenger side down in the Jeep back in the day due obviously to fuel starvation.

Also hats off to Adam at Spankin Time for helping Ed along the way....1st class IMO.

The AMS controllers also take a bunch of time to get used to.

AND each time you change a turbo etc, you need to re-learn.

With my new turbos, AMS set one psi less, just in case, I went from normal 21-22 psi down the track to 30.

Sooooo fortunate that much boost blew the candles out or I would be putting in the spare motor.

Just saying, watch busting someones balls......it really is not that easy.

It takes hard work are track time....NOT dyno pulls, but track time to dial these things in.

Bill

[HemiSam]

Hey I was just pointing out one technical difference in the set up of the car. From now on I will keep out of the technical stuff and just drive

 

 

Awwww, come on now.  You know I'd have taken the engine out of my car to see you and Chuck run that day.  Besides, ya fed me cracklin and gave me smooches 

 

HS

[daparrothead]

Well I they changed the rear tires to taller tires, upped the boost & timing I was told, on the last pass(202) at the starting line the wind (watching the flags) had turned to a direct tail wind of 4-6mph, plus a different driver that didn't bang the rev limiter in every gear repeatedly for three runs. How that motor stayed together is beyond me.

 

But, I will give Joel Highsmith credit where due because he did an excellent job driving the car. As far as the letting out and coasting across the line, I'll have to call bs on that one because I was listening to the pass very closely.

[BayouTiger]

Thanks, Sam, I didn't realize a very little bit of wind either way would make that big a difference. My experience with wind has always been from the viewpoint of boating. We always consider that when the weatherman says winds of 10-15MPH, it really means 10+15 if I am trying to fish! I also realize how much the effect is multiplied as the speeds go up when you're sending a brick down the track. My point was as Kenny mentioned, Adam's last pass was really ugly sounding - not just the launch. I'll find a video of it. The workplace is being particularly brutal this week on my return so i haven't been able to go through them yet. 

 

I give Joel credit for being able to get it done in the end. I know I should have had our best pass of the weekend at the very end but went brain dead and went for a shift just past 3/4 that killed it. I was a couple hundred RPM higher than the previous runs and my mind naturally looked for another gear that wasn't there, so I came out of 5th, but realized and went right back in, but I think that was enough to lose some momentum, only fitting that I finished 177.4 - exactly the same as my previous run. 

 

Bill, I don't think anyone doubt's Ed's resolve to git it done. It was painful to see him go though the problems, but he slugged on and hung out with us and hopefully managed a good time regardless. Always hate to see good folks struggle, but Ed took it in stride where many would have just put it on the trailer and packed it off in frustration. 

[Knownman]

Anybody getting their heifer down the mile over 200 mph deserves credit. 

 

 

IMHO

 

I'm not a fan of everyone slinging shit at people who aren't here to defend themselves. 

 

 

And yes I give Adam credit for now having tuned another 2 challengers past 200 as well as for having the first challenger pass the barrier.

 

  I'm guessing there's more to everyone's hatred for him, I just never thought some on here would join in the bashing.

[lakersfan7272]

I don't know Adam or the ST guys, although I have heard bad things through the grapevine. That said, slinging mud at people for hitting a number seems a bit off. We all break plenty of shit at our levels. If they're happy with hitting their target I'm happy for them.

[Hemi57]

Here is the Texas Corvette BBQ on film.

 

http://jalopnik.com/...ette-1455189950

[MoparManiac]

I guess I missed it,what did this guy Cam's car run at the mile?From what I'm reading, there were several people watching that had broken cars and unfinished builds??

[HemiSam]

I don't know about flinging shit.  What I saw was Adam talking a lot of smack (see the article above) and then getting hit by the reality of what it takes to run a number in the standing mile.  They were telling folks they were going to go 215-220mph at the event. I'm a fan of Joel and his family (Sammy and the other cousins, etc... I've met and visited with in Beeville).  I helped them during their first outing go faster than I did before.  Helped Adam and Karl run 200mph by handing over my tires and finding a MOPAR TCM in the middle of nowhere so they could rev the car higher. They helped me with duck tape and zip ties hit 195mph.  It was a great weekend.

 

I think what you're seeing is that there are a lot of folks that have baggage with Adam and spankin'time.  Reality hitting a forum.

 

HS

Oh, and by the way, you should note that we have NEVER had drama at the TX Mile before the smack talking.  NEVER and we've been at this four years.

 

 

 

HS

[daparrothead]

Well I was there and witnessed almost every run from both cars, so I have a pretty good ideal of how it all went down. I'll say it once again, major props to Joel Highsmith for driving the car to a 202mph pass.
But the smack talk from spanking time on other forums was quite overboard to say the least. His most recent post on lx about bringing 7 cars to mojave and they are all going to run over 200mph is a pretty bold statement.

[BayouTigress]

One thing that bothered me was Adam taking a transmission from a customer's car so he could make his number. At the time the customer's car was working and had not hit it's 200 mph goal. The customer car did end up breaking so switching out the transmission did not end up affecting how many runs his customer made. But if you are a vendor, shouldn't your business model be the other way around. Do everything possible to get the customer to his goals and worry about your shop car later.

And I agree with Chuck and Kenny, from my very limited experience, Joel can really drive!

[Williams RT]

IDK I kind of like the idea of people letting people pull parts off of each others cars to make stuff happen. I know I have giving parts over the years to someone I knew could get farther in the rounds than I could just to see it happen. Could be that owner knew the other car stood a better chance?

[concussion]

One thing that bothered me was Adam taking a transmission from a customer's car so he could make his number. At the time the customer's car was working and had not hit it's 200 mph goal. The customer car did end up breaking so switching out the transmission did not end up affecting how many runs his customer made. But if you are a vendor, shouldn't your business model be the other way around. Do everything possible to get the customer to his goals and worry about your shop car later.

And I agree with Chuck and Kenny, from my very limited experience, Joel can really drive!

Exactly what I was thinking. It's bothered me as well, I'd think it would be the other way around. But I guess that depends on if you can find a hoist or not.

[BayouTiger]

I agree, Phil, I'm pretty sure the black car was broke when they did the swap and I would be pretty sure that Joel encouraged Adam to use it. FWIW, I don't like to see anyone break, but I do agree that if you talk a bunch of smack, karma has a way of biting you in the ass. When I see shops touting "Worlds Fastest" or some other nonsense it pretty much turns me off (see RDP). 

 

As for Adam, I spoke to him very briefly on Friday morning and my first impression was pretty negative. That said he was there with customers and having issues so I can't really fault him. I talked to him a bit more late Sunday afternoon and I think the weekend had humbled him somewhat and he was a bit more personable and I could tell he was pretty whipped. I will say that the kid worked his ass off all weekend trying and never gave up and that says a bunch. He also put his customer in the seat for the last pass of the event and that says something as well. 

[Speedy]

I would put my time and effort into a return system also if I was that worried about fuel.

 

Those come with their own set of problems like over heating fuel, etc.  With new pumps that can support upwards of 800RWHP as a direct drop in it keeps things less complex and I'm all about K.I.S.S.  You do make a good point about the car going to two different shops and neither installed the rear crossover.  Cheap insurance if you ask me.  My only concern with these direct drop in higher volume pumps is how it affects the valve in the passenger side saddle over time.  Mine seems to still be ok after 4 years though.

 

As for Adam....I spent some time with him at the Mile last year.  He's was nice enough to me and we all helped each other a lot with the cars which was cool.  He is competitive, that is very obvious.  He does seem to go through a lot of engines though and when we tried to get a group photo he left us all standing in the hot sun for 15 minutes while he looked for his sun glasses instead of just coming over for a quick snap of the shutter which I thought odd.

[Adam@SpankinTime]

Ed it was nice meeting you, and know you will get the cars sorted out. I know she will be a monster.

Bill as always thanks for all the help and support. You have great transmissions and bring things to the table us Hemi guys need.

Talking smack?? No different than the talk when we first came out to Texas ..guess its different when its not one of your in crowd. Joels car dropped a valve , it happens and we will get past it. As for pulling his trans, it was along way to go to let a car sit when we had an opportunity to make more runs. The reason I lost a trans was trying to sort out the trans  tune up for both cars. Now for the changes... we changed the meth mix and added a taller tire. No boost or tune changes. I still am running the big 4 in pulley. I could have run the 200+ pass as easy as Joel, but his dream was to break 200, and I already did. It was a easy decision to let him run my car.He is an awesome person and deserved to hit his goal.

  Cam... Funny you want to talk trash on a forum you know I don't post on, but will be cool in person. All class. I know where we stand now .

Sam if you had an issue with me, you could have walked right over to me and said something. I guess the net is more your style. 

 

 I've been pretty professional here, and didn't say a word to anyone I've seen that I have ill feelings towards. Its crap how certain people start a campaign to bash me and affect the lively hood that supports 4 families over bs lies. I work real hard for my customers and go above and beyond for them, where others say oh-well. I am very dedicated to make sure they get too their goals and events .

I was pretty confident, no doubt when we got there, but the dyno showed us things the track didn't. The weather played a role, as well as we were not prepared with the stand alones and it hurt us. It wont happen again. Bottom line, it's the passes down the track and data that let us move forward.

 

Funny thing to note.  The LX post didn't talk trash. I didn't go on ur web pages and talk bs...all the hype was done on our site. you pulled posts from our Facebook...whos looking to stir the pot?? Sorry about the record hiccup, but I didn't write that article.