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Convert Vvt 5.7 To Non-Vvt?
Started by AFDoc, Aug 16 2012 08:24 PM
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 08:24 PM
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 08:29 PM
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Buy a pre vvt and be done.
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 08:32 PM
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If the question is, can I change my cam so that it's not VVT without changing the internals of the stocker block, I'm thinking yes...you have the parts to take the phasing out of the equation now. I believe Sean's suggesting you swap out the block for an earlier 5.7 and then do what you please...no VVT.
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X2Buy a pre vvt and be done.
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 09:01 PM
What are pros and cons of swapping, by whichever route, to a non-vvt engine?
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 09:04 PM
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The Eagle 5.7 has a larger cam bore if I recall correctly so you would have more cam choices with the non vvt 5.7
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 09:11 PM
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If you want to stay NA, get a pre vvt, and cam the shit out of it. Your other option is any 6.1 based motor.
The vvt heads (Eagle) are better than the non vvt's so with the cam choices comes head work...which you would most likely do anyway.
The vvt heads (Eagle) are better than the non vvt's so with the cam choices comes head work...which you would most likely do anyway.
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 10:37 PM
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Just slap a blower on what you have and be done. You'll be close to 500rwhp more or less and you'll have a blast...
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Bang for the buck, I would have to go with Sams recommendation unless you plan on doing a full motor change. If you do the blower now, you can still reuse it later down the road if you decide to do a full motor swap.
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Posted 17 August 2012 - 11:11 AM
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Over on LXForums there is a member Deep Blue RT that has gotten his 5.7 VVT Charger into the mid 12's with bolt on's only (No boost/gas or internal engine work). Those motor's run pretty damned good and surprise many stock 6.1 SRT's at the track. Depending on your goals, boosting like mentioned above should really wake that car up. Another option (though expensive), that HHP Cam swap turned out pretty impressive gains on the dyno.
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Posted 17 August 2012 - 11:48 AM
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just do a pre 09 block swap.
Andy built me a non vvt 394, and it kicks ass
Andy built me a non vvt 394, and it kicks ass
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the only thing you need to know is that my car will never run with the same engine for more than 3 days
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Posted 17 August 2012 - 11:54 AM
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I went the older 5.7 block route on mine.
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Posted 17 August 2012 - 11:56 AM
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JZ went to a 6.1
InferAl went to an aluminum motor
It can be done pretty easily and the tuning is much more simple.
InferAl went to an aluminum motor
It can be done pretty easily and the tuning is much more simple.
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Posted 17 August 2012 - 01:41 PM
Thanks all. I was looking to see if I converted my 5.7 to non-vvt would that be the same as a pre vvt engine. Looks like not quite the same.
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 05:45 PM
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I asked once what the VVT was exactly & all I got was to hard to explain... 
since I have one I'd still like to know I suppose it's not a very good motor to have...??!
So what Sam is saying I can get a blower & be done with it how much & which brand & what's the con's if I did add it? Thanks!
since I have one I'd still like to know I suppose it's not a very good motor to have...??! So what Sam is saying I can get a blower & be done with it how much & which brand & what's the con's if I did add it? Thanks!
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VVT is vaible valve timingI asked once what the VVT was exactly & all I got was to hard to explain...
So what Sam is saying I can get a blower & be done with it how much & which brand & what's the con's if I did add it? Thanks!
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It's more accurately decribed as variable cam timing (VCT).
The cam is advanced and retarded as commanded by the PCM to maximize both power and fuel economy.
The cam gear is a phaser that works off of pressurized oil delivered by a solenoid located in the front of the valley under the intake manifold.
That's what allows you to run 12's and still knock down 27 mpg on the highway. Pretty impressive and great until you want to go REALLY fast.
Then that same technology becomes a limiting factor.
The cam is advanced and retarded as commanded by the PCM to maximize both power and fuel economy.
The cam gear is a phaser that works off of pressurized oil delivered by a solenoid located in the front of the valley under the intake manifold.
That's what allows you to run 12's and still knock down 27 mpg on the highway. Pretty impressive and great until you want to go REALLY fast.
Then that same technology becomes a limiting factor.
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Posted 19 August 2012 - 09:44 PM
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It's more accurately decribed as variable cam timing (VCT).
The cam is advanced and retarded as commanded by the PCM to maximize both power and fuel economy.
The cam gear is a phaser that works off of pressurized oil delivered by a solenoid located in the front of the valley under the intake manifold.
That's what allows you to run 12's and still knock down 27 mpg on the highway. Pretty impressive and great until you want to go REALLY fast.
Then that same technology becomes a limiting factor.
I enjoyed that info & it made since, I thought it had something to do with the power & fuel economy Thanks man
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