Anybody Else Think About Buying Cmr Software?

[Knownman 23]

I keep reading about the tuning opions for GM and Fords and I always find myself getting jealous of how many options are available for them. Especially on the fly adjusting and just simple trimming after data logging sessions.

Today I was watching Two Guys Garage and they were using a program called HP Tuner to dial in fuel and spark on a twin turbo meth Corvette.

So now I'm never one to leave well enough alone. Im thinking about buying a CMR for my car.

What do you guys think?

I already have probably ten tunes from ST for my car as we were adjusting it in. I'm also not to crazy about spending 500 bucks for another remote tune. I can't really wrap my head around why some guys think they should get that kind of scratch when they aren't even providing a dyno or a warranty if the motor pops.

[budoboy 12]

10 tune adjustments for one car at $500 a pop? I hope I'm misunderstanding otherwise you are getting screwed

[BayouTiger 93]

$500 each? Are you changing stuff? If not minor revisions are part of tuning and are usually included. Now, if you are tinkering, that's a different story.

[JDW RT 09 20]

I have thought about this myself. I think the CMR is $2,000 to $2,500 or so but I would want to go take the tuner school class at diablo to really understand it to make it worth the cost. I like the idea of learning and doing my own tuning because I also hate being at the mercy of others'. I thought maybe I could get 5 of us local here to split the cost and share the software and the knowledge but other than Dale and one other, those around here are mainly show people, not GO people. It is still a consideration to do it myself one day. If you think about it, it really is just another mod to pay for and use in my opinion.

[Hemi57 54]

I have thought about this myself. I think the CMR is $2,000 to $2,500 or so but I would want to go take the tuner school class at diablo to really understand it to make it worth the cost. I like the idea of learning and doing my own tuning because I also hate being at the mercy of others'. I thought maybe I could get 5 of us local here to split the cost and share the software and the knowledge but other than Dale and one other, those around here are mainly show people, not GO people. It is still a consideration to do it myself one day. If you think about it, it really is just another mod to pay for and use in my opinion.

HP Tuner, EFI Live, Tuner Cat are primarily Chevy and Ford... very little if any Chrysler stuff. So, your stuck Diablo. Besides that your going to need access to a dyno occasionally

[Hemituner 97]

To be honest this is something I have been thinking about for a while. If I could make the costs involved to put together for a good curriculum we could offer a CMR tuning class. Another thing to think about is the fact It seems SCT will be throwing their hat into the hemi game. SCT offers Pro-Racer license packages so you can tune your own ride.

A.J.

[BayouTigress 73]

^^^^ I am up for a tuning class if this gets off the ground.

[Knownman 23]

To be honest this is something I have been thinking about for a while. If I could make the costs involved to put together for a good curriculum we could offer a CMR tuning class. Another thing to think about is the fact It seems SCT will be throwing their hat into the hemi game. SCT offers Pro-Racer license packages so you can tune your own ride.

A.J.

That's good news.

I'm stoked now.

I would be up for a class. I've been reading and trying to get a reasonable global understanding of all things involved but a real tuning course would be right cool if you ask me.

I know Hennessy has a school but with their rep I can't even think about them.

I didn't pay 500 for my tune. It was one payment for significantly less than that and I've been working with Adam to tighten it up for my car. It's a painful process at best but I'm not here to bash this.

I have been quoted 500 for a remote tune by a vendor on this site. It doesn't include the dyno fees which would put me at about 850.

I'm just thinking this is highway robbery.

I was going to suggest this as well. The revisions to my tune and my data logs and notes would be accessible and help to see where adjustments were made if I had access to the CMR

I think the SCT thing would be cool though. I have much respect for the level of accessibility they give the end user.

Keep us informed AJ!

I have thought about this myself. I think the CMR is $2,000 to $2,500 or so but I would want to go take the tuner school class at diablo to really understand it to make it worth the cost. I like the idea of learning and doing my own tuning because I also hate being at the mercy of others'. I thought maybe I could get 5 of us local here to split the cost and share the software and the knowledge but other than Dale and one other, those around here are mainly show people, not GO people. It is still a consideration to do it myself one day. If you think about it, it really is just another mod to pay for and use in my opinion.

The second quoted section should read as my posting?

I have thought about this myself. I think the CMR is $2,000 to $2,500 or so but I would want to go take the tuner school class at diablo to really understand it to make it worth the cost. I like the idea of learning and doing my own tuning because I also hate being at the mercy of others'. I thought maybe I could get 5 of us local here to split the cost and share the software and the knowledge but other than Dale and one other, those around here are mainly show people, not GO people. It is still a consideration to do it myself one day. If you think about it, it really is just another mod to pay for and use in my opinion.

I've thought about this quite a bit regarding many items we could share in this forum.

Tuning software, specialized installation tools, race weight scales, camber caster tools, etc..

It'd be real cool to have access to some things that we don't need regularly but rather just while making a mod to the car

[BAYBANDIT 6]

To be honest this is something I have been thinking about for a while. If I could make the costs involved to put together for a good curriculum we could offer a CMR tuning class. Another thing to think about is the fact It seems SCT will be throwing their hat into the hemi game. SCT offers Pro-Racer license packages so you can tune your own ride.

A.J.

Im in! Almost like an 8 hour class.

[Knownman 23]

AJ what do you know about this guy Greg Banish?

http://www.calibratedsuccess.com/Basic.htm

I read his book. He's got some classes he teaches too.

[Hemiwoman 7]

AJ, we would be in for your tuning class.

[Mopar muscle 73 6]

I'd take it if you offered it via webcam, since it's too freaking far and I doubt I could spare the travel time. I've considered getting the cmr several times since there are limited options here. It would be great to have more knowledge on the tuning side here in western Canada.

On an unrelated side note.

However I still can't trust Arrington to not fuck up everything it sends me, or follow up . I'm still waiting for a credit back from 5 months ago, and Chris was supposed to get Aj to look at some information on my car, but it never happened. I guess I better follow up with don and find out what's going on. The people mean well, but getting things to go from verbal to action has been a problem.

[TheBeej418 10]

I'd love to take a tuning class just to gain a better overall understanding of the process and metrics. I don't know what half of what I log is or why I log it. I'm not going to spend the dough on the CMR software but I'm sure if I'm better educated about what my car is doing, that will help my tuner be better educated in fixing it.

I'm like Cole Trickle in Days of Thunder... I know how to drive it but I don't understand it. Harry and I need to get on the same page!

Mike at OST will be tuning my new motor in a couple of months and this will be my first experience with him. I'm really looking forward to it with all the good things I've heard so far. Hopefully he can put up with me.

[ostmike 39]

Knowman, unfortunately the CMR software can not be compared to HPTuners or EFILive. Even if you were to spend the $2,500 to purchase a CMR license for the DCX platform it will be nothing like what you saw on Two Guys Garage and I have a feeling you would be very disheartened. The DCX platform is a completely different animal from GM or Ford. The fact that HPTuners announced that they were going to release HPT tuning for the DCX's in 2009 and tuning from them is still not available in 2013 should be an indication of this. Hat's off to Diablosport for giving us this option (and even for some tuning capabilities for the 2011+ models).

I am not trying to deter anyone from learning something new or understanding their car better. I just wanted to caution anyone considering this that it will be a very steep learning curve. Tuning a GM with HPTuners could easily be accomplished by most individuals with some computer savvy, basic automotive skills and willingness to spend time on the HPTuners forums. Not to mention that most of the GM tables/parameters in the HPT software have descriptions of what the table/parameters purposes are as well as acceptable ranges for the values.

Currently the CMR tables/parameters have no descriptions and you are on your own to figure out acceptable values. This is also a factor when paying for an email or dyno tune. The R&D that a qualified tuner has to go through to really understand the CMR software dwarfs anything that is required for HPTuners, EFILive, SCT etc.

Again, Diablosport has really stepped up to the plate for the DCX community and without them we would have no other viable option for tuning for the average tuner/tuning shop.

Greg Banish was mentioned above - my son and I took one of his tuning classes and I have two of his books. Great material and worth the time.

[MagnumRT05 1]

Considered buying it but heard the software price went up since last time I checked. Any truth to that?

[Tireburner 1]

Where can the software be bought??

[ostmike 39]

If anyone is considering this I was commissioned by Diablosport a few years ago to produce a CMR dealer guide for the DCX platform. I also started a video series that stopped after the second video due to lack of interest. The videos are still out on Youtube and will at least give you a feel for the CMR software and a few tips. Pay no attention to the guy talking - he will put you to sleep

CMR Dealer Startup Video1 -

CMR Dealer Startup Video 2 -

[1FST4DR 85]

What Mike says "OST" makes perfect sense. An 8 hr class will not make you a tuner by any means, the funds you pay are for years of experience. If it was the easy then there would be more then just a handful of tuners. think about it. in all the shops around the world how many REAL CMR tuners do we use.?

AJ

Johan

OSTMIke

Joel aka Jersey boy

Tim

DTP brent

to name just a few off the top of my head. Honeslty $500.00 for someome to tune is fair especially if that is a boosted car. its not a 5 minute job by anymeans usually a few hours once you figure all the back and fourth and revisions going on. Plus most tuners will offer support days and even weeks after the initial tune to make little tweaks here and there.

Just my 0.2 Carry on as this is a great thread..

[lakersfan7272 59]

What Mike says "OST" makes perfect sense. An 8 hr class will not make you a tuner by any means, the funds you pay are for years of experience. If it was the easy then there would be more then just a handful of tuners. think about it. in all the shops around the world how many REAL CMR tuners do we use.?

AJ

Johan

OSTMIke

Joel aka Jersey boy

Tim

DTP brent

to name just a few off the top of my head. Honeslty $500.00 for someome to tune is fair especially if that is a boosted car. its not a 5 minute job by anymeans usually a few hours once you figure all the back and fourth and revisions going on. Plus most tuners will offer support days and even weeks after the initial tune to make little tweaks here and there.

Just my 0.2 Carry on as this is a great thread..

Agree you wouldn't want to trust anyone else with your car. That said, most tuners are completely swamped and have a diffcult time keeping up, not because they don't want to but simply because there are so many cars out there. If people could safely change small things in their tune it would lessen the burden on the core group you mention. Plus, the more people with access to something like this the more likely it is one or two will get really good at it and be able to do more complicated things.

[Hemi31 194]

Like Mike said above figuring out the tables is a PITA. And if you are not familiar with tuning at all it will be even more difficult. I can tune a carb/distributor motor in my sleep but have a hell of a time translating that into the software. The principle is all the same but figuring out which table does what sucks and the drive by wire adds a special sort of bitch to the process.

[BayouTigress 73]

I do not want to be able to tune. I just want a lot better understanding of what is going on so I can give better feedback to SHR when Eddie tunes our car. And before anyone says it, yeah I know, data log

[Knownman 23]

I totally get what your saying about seat time and years of learning.

My thought is more about for in my case, I have a tune, actually a few. What ends up being the problem is time.

I have grown tired of doing all the work on the motor, checking plugs, calibrating the o2 sensor, exhaust leak checking, octane checking logging miles etc etc etc. Then I take those logs and send them to the tuner and wait......

Then I wait some more....

Hopefully it's not a holiday or big race weekend cause I'm just here waiting...

Then I might get a followup after I have to call and bust balls to get somewhere.

Even then the communication is too short and Im left with no idea what was done if anything.

Or I can pay up another 500 bucks or 375 plus another 350 for dyno time or whatever it may be and get in line to have another tune written for the car. Which is a lot of money by the way.

There are not many players and fewer who have the time and experience with my particular setup.

Dyno time won't help dial in a 6 speed KenneBell. Wide open throttle is never the problem. It's under load and lower revs and throttle input that make everything more fun.

This is where having some working knowledge would help both me and my tuner. Also access to a decent programming platform.

I may not be a Hemi tuner but I've tuned everything from Guided Missile Launching Systems to the most advanced digital cameras in production.

I've worked on 410 sprints to go carts. I studied electrical engineering and know how to build gas tanks out of flat sheet metal in aluminum and steel.

This is learnable if the access is there.

[Knownman 23]

There are a lot of smart cookies around here. I don't think I'm the only guy wanting to get deeper into this.

[1FST4DR 85]

There are a lot of smart cookies around here. I don't think I'm the only guy wanting to get deeper into this.

First off sounds like you need to find a better, more customer service orientated tuner. I have never been through what you are describing. I would be bummed too. Ive had 15 cars tuned in the last few months some on the rollers and some data logged through my shop and all are 100% The Hp ranging from 400-850 rwhp. So I see your frustrations.

AS for tuning? Im not saying its impossible,Im saying it will not be done in an 8 hr course. And I will say this. Dodge CMR is not easy as Mike stated,Ive been around these platforms for a long time I have seen very reputable GM and Ford tuners come around and fail miserably on the dodge platform. But be assured I wish you or whoever wants to learn CMR the best of luck, After all its your car your going to practice on

I think it would be cool for a guy like AJ to host a class maybe a beginner,intermediate and advanced tuning course. I know I would be game for sure

Maybe he could pick selected shops around the US to hold these courses. I just bought a dyno I wouldn't mind hosting such an event myself.. I have 2000 sq ft under air

[MoparManiac 17]

There are a lot of smart cookies around here. I don't think I'm the only guy wanting to get deeper into this.

Do you have a Trinity? Do you log A/F with your data logs?Fuel pressure gauge?I get great email tunes logging A/F and giving the tuner alot of info.My tuner was sending me tunes on Thanksgiving, and always gets back to me within 24 hrs.Time to try a new guy!