Annual Srt Engineers Chat Session Returning To Lxbn5!!!.

[Turbobuckeye 0]

SRT has always been a highlight of the weekend over the years for LX & Beyond. We have been lucky enough to get to know some of the SRT engineers behind various components which make the idea of an “SRT” Charger, Challenger, Cherokee, 300, Viper a reality. We chatted with engineers whose expertise ranged in everything from powertrain calibration, chassis engineering, vehicles dynamics and driveline engineering. In addition, we have had the opportunity to see some vehicles that never made it to production (Dodge Challenger SRT10) and some components that did make it into production models.

In addition to the 2nd Annual SRT Tour making an official stop on Saturday, July 21 at LXBN5 this year we will be welcoming the SRT Engineers back to Ohio again for LX & Beyond Nationals weekend. In addition, they will be joined by one of the Engineers from MOPAR. All will be available for the much anticipated Annual SRT Engineer Chat Session on Saturday, July 21 at 9pm.

Where:

Quaker Steak & Lube-Austintown

5800 Interstate Boulevard

Austintown, OH 44515

Private Pit Stop Patio Area (Reserved for LXBN5)

• SRT Engineer Chat Session, 9-10pm
  
• LXBN5 After Party, 6-10pm
  
• More details to follow…
  

[Speedy 247]

Bring eggs and rotten tomatoes everybody.

[Goehner 240]

Someone pissed in Speedy's Wheaties this morning....

[BlackVoodoo 22]

Bring eggs and rotten tomatoes everybody.

No! Beat them down with their useless locked PCM's!

[ScapeGoat 126]

it will go like always

consumer: when can we tune our cars

srt: our products are awesome

consumer: when can we access or TCM

srt: our products are awesome

and on and on and on

[BJB 40]

This should be interesting this year...

[JDrew 1]

Stay tuned....

[HemiSam 188]

burp....

HemiSam

[Andy@PWR 58]

I drilled them pretty hard last year with questions. I think this year, there will be allot more unhappy owners if there are not some solid answers coming.

[Colonel Angus 5]

pharrrtttttttt..............................................

[Jerseyboy 61]

it will go like always

consumer: when can we tune our cars

srt: our products are awesome

consumer: when can we access or TCM

srt: our products are awesome

and on and on and on

Blame DIablo for the lack of TCM tuning. They have had the ability to tune TCMs for 3 years and not released it. The antique Predator was always the excuse before. I don't know what they are waiting for now that the Intune and Trinity are here. It would be really nice to have TCCC and Shift pressure/pattern control....

Ralph has already said a PCM tuning solution will be announced at SEMA. I doubt these engineers will have much info on it. They are production guys and any tuning solution will probably be handled by Mopar or a third party.

It amazes me that everyone thinks Chrysler shoudl just give up the tuning information. Would you expect McDonalds to give up the recipe for the Secret Sauce? What about the formula for Coke or Pepsi? Its the aftermarket that really needs to step up and break the code. They have for the GM and Ford PCMs. Contrary to popular opinion in the MOPAR community, GM and Ford are NOT sending calibration information and files to HP Tuners, SCT or EFI Live. They are reverse engineering it. Ford is encrypting the Eco Boost PCMs similar to the way Chrysler has, but guys have already cracked them. Apparently they are working harder at it, or just having better luck at it, then the Chrysler tuning guys.

J

[Speedy 247]

I could be misinformed but I was told Ford actually does work with the aftermarket (Whipple for example) at developing calibrations for their Ford Racing upgrades which include factory calibrations with the blower when purchased through a Ford parts dept. Is that bad info?

My buddy had HPTuners for his Z06 and could do ANYTHING on that car. Turn off the rear O2s but still report "ready" for emissions and stuff like that. Very slick stuff. Maybe Diablo just isn't as up to snuff?

[bhayes335 25]

Blame DIablo for the lack of TCM tuning. They have had the ability to tune TCMs for 3 years and not released it. The antique Predator was always the excuse before. I don't know what they are waiting for now that the Intune and Trinity are here. It would be really nice to have TCCC and Shift pressure/pattern control....

Ralph has already said a PCM tuning solution will be announced at SEMA. I doubt these engineers will have much info on it. They are production guys and any tuning solution will probably be handled by Mopar or a third party.

It amazes me that everyone thinks Chrysler shoudl just give up the tuning information. Would you expect McDonalds to give up the recipe for the Secret Sauce? What about the formula for Coke or Pepsi? Its the aftermarket that really needs to step up and break the code. They have for the GM and Ford PCMs. Contrary to popular opinion in the MOPAR community, GM and Ford are NOT sending calibration information and files to HP Tuners, SCT or EFI Live. They are reverse engineering it. Ford is encrypting the Eco Boost PCMs similar to the way Chrysler has, but guys have already cracked them. Apparently they are working harder at it, or just having better luck at it, then the Chrysler tuning guys.

J

McDonalds actually just released the recipe for their secret sauce...so yeah, I think Chrysler should.

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/eats/watch-mcdonald-secret-sauce-recipe-made-dan-coudreaut-mcdonald-executive-chef-shows-combine-big-mac-mystery-ingredients-video-article-1.1112209?localLinksEnabled=false

[Jerseyboy 61]

I could be misinformed but I was told Ford actually does work with the aftermarket (Whipple for example) at developing calibrations for their Ford Racing upgrades which include factory calibrations with the blower when purchased through a Ford parts dept. Is that bad info?

My buddy had HPTuners for his Z06 and could do ANYTHING on that car. Turn off the rear O2s but still report "ready" for emissions and stuff like that. Very slick stuff. Maybe Diablo just isn't as up to snuff?

Not exactly true. Ford Racing purchases hardware from Whipple and contracts the calibration of the kits to a third party who does the calibration for them (I actually have met this person and we have mutual friends). This third party does have calibration access to the Ford database and factory Ford cals through the Ford SEMA Inititive. The calibrations are developed and Emissions tested and then released through the Ford system for Ford Racing SC systems only. The calibration information is not in any way shape or form shared with Whipple or any other party. Whipple only provides the hardware to Ford Racing. All the people involved with the calibration process have to sign strict confidentiality agreements with Ford stating they will not share any information with anyone under the penalty of imprisonment and or fines.

HPTuners does typically give more access to the controllers then Diablo. But that is not because GM gave them info. Its because they decided to give you access to that. We didn't have access to the OBD readiness codes before because Diablo chose not to give us access. They have since had a change of heart ;-) Some of the stuff people complain abut Chrysler isn't because Diablo can't find it, its because they have chosen not to give us access to it for one reason or another (Ethics or just not enough people/time to pull it all together).

J

[HemiSam 188]

Why hasn't mass air flow vs speed density and the tuning complexity that Chrysler / Dodge creates by using a POS dated system not come into this equation??? Can't blame that gem on DS....

HemiSam

[Andy@PWR 58]

Speed density isnt harder to tune than mass air. Some gm folks run both and some convert from mass air to speed density. Im not a tuner, but i have always been told that speed density is no harder to tune than mass air.

[ScapeGoat 126]

its not that speed density is harder to tune, but speed density does limit camshaft size

[Jerseyboy 61]

How does Speed Density limit camshaft size? All the big cam/big power GM guys switch to Speed Density. You just have to know how to work with it. Hell, Big Stuff3, FAST XFi, AEM, Motec are ALL Speed density systems (Motec has a MAF option). Even the new McLaren EFI system being used in NASCAR is Speed Density. Mass Airflow brings its own issues. Where the sensor is located and how the air enters and exits the sensor is very citical to proper airflow measurements. Large cams cause reversion in the intake can cause the air to backflow through the sensor and screw up the readings, even on stock cars. There are tables in GM and Ford stuff just to account for the backflow through the MAF. I would argue that speed density is actually EASIER to tune then Mass Airflow. There are TENS OF THOUSANDS more variables in the PCM then the 150 or so then ANY of the aftermarket tuning packages gives tuners access to. It doesn't matter if its GM, Ford or Chrysler. If you think those list of variables in EFI Live or SCT is full access to the PCM, you are sadly mistaken.

Tell me what about speed density is limiting any current build or an upcoming build? 1200RWHP with street driveability has been achieved on a factory controller that was never designed for boost.

J

[Dookie 3]

How so Mike? (JB beat me to it)

[ScapeGoat 126]

thats what I was always told, I don't claim to be a tuner so if JB tells me its better I'll believe him

[sharkcohen 60]

It amazes me that everyone thinks Chrysler shoudl just give up the tuning information. Would you expect McDonalds to give up the recipe for the Secret Sauce?

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-07-11/news/32636606_1_sauce-big-mac-dan-coudreaut

[70Barracuda 25]

They don't have to even give it away, just license it out to several tuner companies and everyone will make out.

[Guest Daparrothead]

^^^ Can't stand the stuff myself!

[Dookie 3]

http://articles.nyda...c-dan-coudreaut

"With food it's either contrasting flavors like sweet and sour' date='" Coudreaut explained, "or it's contrasting[b'] flavors[/b] like tomato and basil. Here with the Big Mac sauce it's contrasting flavors."

Dumbass statement. WTF does this mean?

[Guest Daparrothead]

In a nutshell, I think it means this secret sauce is used to cover up the taste of the shitty soy bean patty they use for meat.